We thank the Faith and Practice Committee for all the work they have done to bring this
chapter to us for review. Much of the document needs no changes. What
follows are two sets of comments about the entire document and then
some comments about certain sections of the document, some of which
answer questions which the Discipline Committee asked.
Not sure if Meeting is capitalized consistently and it should be. (This
is not something we were checking at the beginning.) On page 18,
penultimate paragraph, 3rd line, should be Meeting
committees (not capitalized there). We note that in the first
paragraph of the document, there are 2 instances of meeting not being
capitalized. We think they should be capitalized, as they refer to a
Meeting for Worship and a Meeting which is an organized unit of the
Society of Friends. And it was confusing to encounter meeting
capitalized twice and not capitalized twice in the first paragraph…
When Faith and Practice was originally written, many woman Friend
quotations were not very available. Many more are now available in
the book, Hidden in Plain Sight. The Discipline Committee
should have a copy of this book and be consulting it so that we can
have a larger diversity of quote authors. 100% of the quotes offered
are from men. That needs to be changed! We would especially recommend
getting rid of the John Woolman quote (even though it’s so much fun
doing the math), as the quote also refers to something outdated.
Difficulties within the quote include "adjourning" a meeting and
the use of "man" rather than "person." We also recommend
leaving out the definition of "adjourned Meeting" unless that
term is actually being used somewhere in the Yearly Meeting.
Recording Clerk: The Recording Clerk is a crucial part of all NPYM Monthly
Meetings, but Faith and Practice seems to have lost giving a good
description of the job and the duties. This position should be
prioritized and much of the description of assistant clerk should be
deleted. A few Meetings have assistant clerks, most don’t. (If the
description is changed to include assistant clerks as rising clerks,
then the old description should be kept as well, since our Meeting
sometimes has an assistant clerk who is available to clerk Meeting in
the absence of the clerk, but is not a rising clerk.)
Page 4: Under formulation of Minutes:
Needs to say: "the minute is written down and read back to the Meeting by
the Clerk or Recording Clerk" (not Assistant Clerk) or it
will not reflect what our Meeting does.
Page 7: 2nd paragraph (the one that starts "Organization…")
should say "a small Meeting may be able to function with only a
Clerk and Recording Clerk and with the Meeting acting as a
committee of the whole." It seems likely that the Meeting would
also need a Treasurer.
Page 8, 7th paragraph. In our Meeting, the Recording Clerk
signs the minutes. The Clerk does not (although the clerk reviews the
draft minutes before they are sent out). The Clerk signs other
Bottom of page 8 is the only mention in the entire chapter of a recording
clerk. However, this is NOT a good description of the recording
clerk’s job and seems to be mixed up with this concept of assistant
clerk which we don’t use. The Recording Clerk should be the next
officer listed after the Clerk and the description of this job should
not be combined with any other officers. We would not ask the
Recording Clerk to clerk a Meeting in the absence of the Clerk, since
we would then need to find someone else to take the minutes. Taking
the minutes is a very important job. These minutes need to accurately
reflect what happened and to include items written according to
Friends’ practice and jargon. Once approved, the minutes become
part of the archival record of the Meeting and are referred to when
looking for previous decisions of the Meeting. We also do not include
names of Friends who spoke when discussing a decision, but say, "a
Friend said…" Our Recording Clerk and our Records Clerk use BYM
Handbook of Records from Baltimore Yearly Meeting and
we have linked to it online from the Port Townsend Friends Meeting
It would be great to refer to it in Faith and Practice and provide
the link on the NPYM website. And the Discipline Committee would
probably find many helpful descriptions there. Another thing that
needs to be attended to is electronic records vs. hard copy records.
Port Townsend Friends Meeting is keeping both.
Friends’ Method of Reaching Decisions—Page 3 and following
The document currently jumps from Unity to Serious Differences of
Opinion. In between those two should be a discussion of "standing
aside," including being minuted as standing aside and the idea that
once the decision has been made and people minuted as standing aside,
the Meeting wholeheartedly supports the decision. (People don’t try
to derail the decision.)
It might be good to put the section on threshing sessions ahead of the
section on serious differences of opinion as well—as this discusses
getting lots of opinions and what to do when the Meeting faces an
issue with differences of opinion.
State of the Society Report—Page 6
This section does not accurately reflect practice. Several Meetings simply
ask for a volunteer to write the report, which then comes to Ministry
and Counsel and Business Meeting for approval. At Pacific Northwest
Quarterly Meeting, the reports are posted, but not necessarily read
and they are given to the QM Committee on M+O.
Leadership (page 7)
We agree that it would be useful to advise Friends to be tender with one
another and especially toward those in leadership positions.
The important officers are Clerk, Recording Clerk and Treasurer. We also
have a Records Clerk/Archivist/Historian (called a Recorder on pg
9—not a term we have heard), and a Webkeeper. We recommend
describing Clerk, Recording Clerk, Treasurer and Records Clerk and
then mentioning that assistants can also be appointed if needed. It
seems like an accountant would be found if the Treasurer needs
assistance. If it is felt necessary to list Corresponding Clerk, that
should be in a separate section, not combined with Recording Clerk.
In the description of Clerk, the clerk should ask a past clerk or
someone who seems skilled at clerking to clerk the Meeting during
a planned absence or when led to express an opinion on a
Committees—Page 9ff Page 9 2nd paragraph under committees: We have seen several
instances when a committee was laid down because people could not be
found to serve on that committee and re-instituted when people were
found. (The function of that committee was parceled out to other
committees in the interim.)
Page 10–Ministry and Counsel is our preferred name for the “Ministry
and Oversight” function and we have a Ministry and Counsel
Committee. We prefer not to use the word oversight, which is
reminiscent of the overseers who were managing the slaves in this
country. We also think it unnecessary to put in the historical note
saying that this term was used historically in a different manner.
Care Committees should definitely be included. Our Meeting has at
least 6 care committees for members with needs. This is something
which has grown up since Faith and Practice was written. (pg. 13)
Citing other documents in Faith and Practice —Page 13
It would be a good idea for Faith and Practice to cite the NPYM website
and link to documents which are referenced in Faith and Practice,
such as the New England YM document on Clearness Committees (and if
that document is unavailable, find one that is, or quote the
important parts in Faith and Practice).
Released Friend –page 14
We recommend using terms which are being used in NPYM.
Released Friend: This terminology should be prioritized and included in the
definitions and index, with Liberated Friend perhaps still mentioned
if that term is used somewhere in NPYM. We are familiar with several
instances of releasing Friends in different NPYM meetings; one Friend
came to us asking to be released and said Faith and Practice did not
describe this concept—a Friend who had read all of Faith and
Practice found it for us under “Liberated Friend.”
We also recommend separating concerns from released Friend, or probably
including a section defining concerns or mentioning them in the
Friends Method of Reaching Decisions section—it is often someone or
a committee bringing a concern that makes for memorable
decision-making and sometimes carries the Meeting into a ministry
without necessarily releasing one person to carry that ministry.
Recorded Ministers-page 15
We need to add that we do record ministers who feel called to do prison
It is not our practice to forward a traveling minute for Presiding Clerk
of YM endorsement when the person is traveling outside the YM.
Children –Page 17-We are anticipating that the children’s safety section
will be at the end of this section.
Youth page 17-18
Somewhere in here we should talk about supporting youth to come together
regionally, at Quarterly, Yearly, ski trip and possibly other times.
It fits with page 18, 2nd paragraph comment about living
up to their ideals and people of their own age group.